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Monday, July 29, 2013

Stalking Victims

Stalking, as acknowledged by the courts, is a very recent crime.  The first stalking law was enacted in California in 1990 as a result of the stalking and murder of an actress named Rebecca Schaefer.  There are different kinds of stalking and different types of stalkers.  Most scholarly books focus on sexual stalking between two people, but there are other motives.  Resentment, revenge, control, power. Sometimes rich people will hire private investigators to stalk ex wives or others who they resent or want to destroy. 

Media attention is mostly focused on people who stalk celebrities. One recent poll showed that most therapists fear being stalked by their clients.  With the Internet there is a lot of concern over cyber stalking.

One of the bigger, more recent cyber stalking cases is of a singer in New York named Leandra Ramm. Leandra was tortured by a stalker who lives in Singapore for 6 years.  She has never met him.  Her case is noticeable not just for the insidiousness of her stalker, but also because she managed to catch him over international boundaries and to have him jailed.

I read Leandra's book and noticed that she's into astrology. Yay! A true Leo, she openly states her rising and moon signs. Good Lion. I'd like to think that maybe an astrologer helped her in coping with her case and maybe even in catching her stalker.  She also openly gives her birth date.  Hopefully it's the real one.  I wouldn't be surprised if its not considering what she's been through but I am curious to look at her chart.

I am going to share some details I've noticed about Leandra Ramm's chart with regards to stalking and then will compare a couple of details of her heart which I suspected might be found in other stalking victims charts. . 

Some keywords first. Basic ideas that connect Planets and their signs with the crime of stalking in a broad way, especially with regards to Leandra Ramm's chart which ought to show a case of cyber stalking in particular.

***Noel Tyl says that high tech is ruled by mars and Uranus.
***Stalking will be ruled by Pluto, Neptune, Venus and mars
***International relations will be ruled by Jupiter
***Strangers will be ruled by Uranus
***Obsessive behavior is ruled by Pluto, along with anything having to do with crime.
***Fantasy stalking, as related to falling for people on TV shows is connected with Neptune, maybe Venus.

I don't have Leandra's birth time but she says she is a Leo with Scorpio rising and Cancer Moon.  She is a Leo sun with Venus also in Leo. She's a singer by profession so that certainly makes sense, especially since she sings Opera..

Without a birth time I can't say for sure but it looks like Leandra has the two planets of High Tech, Mars and Uranus, in her first house.  Mars is at 21 Scorpio and Uranus is at  Sagittarius.

Leandra was 21 when her stalker saw her on TV.  She was being interviewed by Anderson Cooper on Anderson Cooper 360 about being a progeny of the Nobel sperm bank.  I believe the date of this interview was November 10, 2005. I don't know the time, sorry.

Both Mars and Uranus were under heavy transit on this day to Leandra's natal Mars and Uranus.  Actually, most of the planets of her chart were getting hit by something or other.

The transits on the day that Leandra's Stalker set his sites on her, transiting mars was in Retrograde in Taurus and was opposing her natal Mars. 

Mars retrogrades are an extended transit where mars, the planet of impulsiveness, sort of seems to sit still from our point of view on the earth. That's an interesting conundrum for the Mars energy which likes to charge ahead into whatever adventures and pursuits it can think of at the time. At the time, of course, this would have looked to a budding Opera Star as her big break, a huge exposure on National TV. 

The point here is that the transiting Sun was conjunct Leandra Ramm's Mars probably in her first house and this opposed transiting Mars Rx in her 7th House. This opposition is on the angles relating to relationships.  The planets involved relate to impulse and ego and rashness. 

Leandra was also having her 1st Uranus Square, from her first house, and prominent on an angle.  This is a developmental aspect that everyone goes through at around Age 21.  The planetary cycles and partial cycles are often an initiation into the energy of a planet.  They unfold through a person's life and can often be a little stressful.  Many kids in the modern world (a Uranian place) are just graduating from College and are going into shock about entering the real world, but excitement about finally being free to experiment. 

As I've said, Uranus is connected with high technology and innovation.  It's connected with shocking and surprising events that are ultimately supposed to wake us up to the world around us in order to make us bond with others outside our normal sphere. As I noted above, Uranus is connected with strangers. On the day of the TV show the transiting moon made a conjunction with Uranus in Pisces. Leandra was showcased as the talented progeny of the Nobel Sperm Bank (Moon=conditions around birth; Uranus=futuristic non conformist thinking). 

At Age 21 people are also going through a Saturn square transit. This is probably why many people graduating from College are feeling fearful. Saturn is connected with career and goal setting and taking on responsibility. Leandra's natal Saturn is in Scorpio so it also may be connected with her 1st house and prominent on an angle. Transiting Saturn was conjunct her natal sun and Venus in Leo.  She was showcased for her singing and musical talents which fits right in with this Sun and Venus in Leo picture (very close to the Midheaven).  Saturn is often connected with learning how to deal with setbacks.  

As I said, almost all the planets in Leandra's chart were hit by a transiting planet.  It was a significant day for her career wise. Hell sort of let loose in her relationship department with that Mars opposition, that's for sure.

I should mention Pluto.  Don't want to leave him out since he rules all kinds of obsessive crimes.  He also rules Leandra's chart and is maybe placed in her 12th house.  He is a singleton 29 libra.  That's great for an artist. It can give a person a certain sense of mystery.  It can also attract some crazy goons.  House 12 is the planet of secret enemies which fits right in with the stalking picture.

I decided to look at other famous stalking cases to see if a couple of interesting aspects I found in Leandras chart repeat in the charts of other stalking victims. 

Leandra has No Oppositions in her natal chart.  Oppositions are aspects where planets are as far apart from each other on the wheel as possible. They can literally describe relationship problems a person struggles with in her/his own self.  In a chart they can show a place where a person struggles to find balance and harmony between two opposing forces.  By dealing with this aspect as an inner struggle a person learns self defense just by fighting with him or herself.  Perhaps not having this struggle within ones self can make one attractive to predators as the person doesn't automatically fight.

I also wanted to look at the Mars placements by sign of stalking victims.  Leandra has Mars in Scorpio which means that her male expression will express through the Scorpio lens. Scorpio is the sign connected with crime, especially crime which happens in the shadows and below the surface and connected with compulsive behaviors.  Elsa Elsa wrote a great blog post about stalking, 2009, and the first commenter talked about a relative who was a stalking victim and has a Leo Sun with Mars in Scorpio.  So there might be something to that combination even. 

I'm also curious about chart shape with regards to stalking, especially the bowl shape.  Leandras chart is bowl shaped.  It's not an official bowl shape because there is no opposition working as boundary planets but its close enough to perhaps show a sense of all the energy placed on one side of the chart which can show an internal feeling that one lacks the other half.  Bob Marks explains the chart shapes really well on his website. There are probably more significant aspects to look at.  Leandra has a square between Venus in Leo and Mars in Scorpio, for example.  Any contact between Mars, Venus and Pluto is going to show some sort of crazy stuff in the romance department.  Whos the perp and who's the victim is anybody's guess in these cases so I didn't focus on that.

Here's what I found in other stalking victims charts.   Including Leandra's Mars, 3 out of 9 charts have Mars in Scorpio. Mars = Men.  2 of these victims were women but one was a man, Mark Zuckerberg who was stalked by another man.  2 have Mars in Taurus Taurus is the opposite sign of Scorpio and on the same pole. 2 have Mars in Capricorn.  Then there is Mars in Aries and Mars in Leo. Rebecca Schaefer was murdered, but all the rest have found help and have had success in dealing with their stalkers.  Most people aren't as lucky.  Leandra was tortured for 6 years before she managed to find the proper help to have her Stalker put in jail and under a restraining order.  Her case is really weird, (Uranus), because she never actually met her stalker.

Rebecca Schaefer
Mars 11 Capricorn
No oppositions
Locomotive chart shape

Laura Dekker
Mars 9 Scorpio
No oppositions
Bowl chart shape

Mark Zuckerberg
Mars Rx iScorpio
Seesaw chart shape
Has significant oppositions, born on Full Moon

David Letterman
Mars 1 Aries Rx
One Opposition:  Mars opposite Neptune 10 Libra, wide
Chart Shape seems like a Splay Shape

Mars 16 Taurus
No Oppositions
Locomotive Chart Shape

Jodie Foster
Mars 18 Leo square Venus Rx and Mercury, Sun in Scorpio
Locomotive Chart Shape
Has big opposition

Shawn Johnson
Mars 8 Capricorn
Born on Full Moon so has oppositions
Bowl Shaped Chart

Ellen Page
Mars 1 Taurus opposite Pluto 10 Scorpio Rx
Thats the only opposition which is boundary of Bowl Shape
Bowl Shaped Chart

Kourtney Reppert
didn't find birth date


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4:36 PM  
Blogger Out The Comet's Ass said...

Hi Leandra! If that's you thanks for visiting. There were some penus enlargement posts that came with it so maybe that's colin mak or someone else. It sounds like my post about your stalking isn't very clearly written. Sorry about that. I liked your book very much and am very inspired by your strength.

9:32 PM  
Anonymous Leandra Ramm said...

Hi! I posted my last comment through my iphone, so sorry if it came along with some inappropriate posts! Anyway, I was born at 2:35pm on July 27th 1984 to answer your question about my birth time. Your post was very clearly written and I thank you so much for it! I am big into astrology and your post told me so much about myself that I didn't know! I am so glad you liked my book!

Many thanks,

Leandra Ramm

2:11 PM  
Blogger Out The Comet's Ass said...

Hi again Leandra! I got your message but am having some problems myself so am going to err on the side of paranoia. I got that your birth time is 2:35pm. That gives you 17 Scorpio rising with mars and Saturn in conjunction. Boy, a stalker shouldn't mess with mars on the ascendant!

Your chart is very psychic. Guess you know that already. Do you go to any astrology meetings out there in New York? Try a lecture with Michael Lutin. He's awesome and gives a lot of presentations through NCGR. Thanks again for visiting. A bunch of stuff was just deleted from my ipad so that's why I'm paranoid about your post. I think they, whoever they are, can drop virus thingees into a computer through the comments section. At least that seems to be so on another blog I have with another host. Nice hearing from you, if that's you. Hope you're singing a lot.

6:53 PM  

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